Comments on Cult of the Lepus: Scamway

I have news for all you critics of Amway/Quixtar/I...

2009-07-13T23:38:47.620-07:00

I have news for all you critics of Amway/Quixtar/Ibocity etc. I would be willing to bet that if you live ten lifetimes doing whatever you are doing with your life. The closest you'll ever get to being successful is watching someone else on TV. The fact remains that Amway has successfully produce more millionaires and multi-millionaires than any other business in the history of this planet except for Microsoft. Where's your track record of success? And when they start handing out trophys and erecting monuments to critics let me know. And when all those TV commercials get tatooed on your dimming grey matter. maybe you'll find out who the real suckers are or maybe you won't, it's your life(sucks, huh?).

I cannot understand how people can defend and prom...

2008-07-22T12:44:00.000-07:00

I cannot understand how people can defend and promote a business where 99% of the people end up losing money or making nothing.

To make it worse, the added expenses of seminars, airfare, and tapes and you have the potential for financial disaster.

Thanks for this blog, hopefully potential IBO's will wake up and smell the coffee.

Does anyone anywhere know anyone who is a regular ...

2005-11-02T13:12:00.000-07:00

Does anyone anywhere know anyone who is a regular Amway consumer and has Amway products in their home? Check out IBOCity.com. And all the other links listed there. It'll take you forever to figure out it's AMWAY! You can log in as "frienda" or "friendt". Happy Scamwaying!

It is sad, these type of stories show how it is a ...

2005-09-30T06:32:00.000-07:00

It is sad, these type of stories show how it is a Cult. They recruit the same way cults do, they teach ibo's to block out everything (tv, radio, music, newpapers)and anyone who is not a member of this cult. They teach that you have to put this business/cult first over everything like weddings birthdays family events etc.

My wife and I experienced this first hand and we lost friendships, offended family and my performance at work declined. We never made a profit.

A friend of mine and her husband are deeply involv...

2005-09-29T14:54:00.000-07:00

A friend of mine and her husband are deeply involved in this terrible "business"...they have no lives now, they get no sleep, they miss days at their real jobs constantly...I'm waiting for one or both of them to be fired and then they'll be up a creek for sure...They miss important events like weddings and birthdays, family outings, etc, in favor of meetings and Quixtar seminars...The have been completely brainwashed...The Quixtar higher ups, so to speak, have told these poor saps not to watch tv, listen to the radio, etc to avoid anything negative getting into their heads...It is completely terrible...My friends have been involved for just over a year now and it was just revealed to me they get a 400 dollar check every month...Well, they put out 1000 dollars a month to start with and then pay all sorts of fees in addition for tapes, cds, admission to so called motivational speaker's seminars, gas and hotel costs and they're also told to leave obnoxiously large tips are these restaurants where they have these "night owls" meetings to discuss the business...They are constantly broke, constantly needing to recruit new people since the people they get never stick around once they've seen the light...Quixtar preaches religion yet greed is the main focus of the whole thing...The last time I checked, greed was a sin so every last one of these bastards is going to go straight to Hell...I hope they like the heat...

Dr Gilbert, I find it intersting that you know so ...

2005-09-02T19:09:00.000-07:00

Dr Gilbert, I find it intersting that you know so much about this business. As a dentist in Lawrence, NY you could make a lot more money taking a few ce courses and becoming more agressive with the "specialty" business you are currently reffering out to Orthodontists, Endodontists and Oral Surgeons.

If you chose to build this business your chances of success are extremely low. Even if you are successful there will be people in your downline that will be hurt financialy the way my wife and I were.

Um, okay. Good luck with that then.

2005-09-02T17:32:00.000-07:00

Um, okay. Good luck with that then.

www.aVerySimpleBusiness.comI just came from a Quix...

2005-09-01T18:45:00.000-07:00

www.aVerySimpleBusiness.com

I just came from a Quixtar meeting and was impressed. I'm fairly in-tune with what Network Marketing offers; I've been involved at some kind of level since 1972. Never did the business; always went for the product. As a dentist, I found the most incredible and effective toothpaste in Network Marketing and have been using it to clean patients' teeth for nearly 20 years.

Now, I've learned how to do the business - but not as they teach it. What they say is valid but they never go far enough and that is because they really don't know how. They don't know how to run their NM business as a business and they all fall into the very crowded field of mediocrity. A few transcend the others only because they have so many under them making small amounts of money that what rolls up to them is significant.

However, Quixtar looks very promising if it's true that you can have what you would normally carry from the store delivered and have it done at lower prices. Save time. Save driving (and attendant costs).

I'll go for it.

I should do well. I train people in Network Marketing; PowerPoint presentation and stuff like that. Since there's no one hear to tell you; I'm good at it. Very innovative and insightful. To be average gets you to average places. Commit to not be average and find a way to that goal.

Statistically, most businesses are "in the hump" (of a normal distribution curve. That means most businesses (and most anything) is average.

Given a superior product and benefit, the business will either be successful or not depending on how the business is run and, unfortunately, most trainers do not train well enough to get their people higher than average.

That's why so many fail.

My wife and I spend over 5 years trying to build t...

2005-08-29T12:48:00.000-07:00

My wife and I spend over 5 years trying to build this business. We love most of the products and will always use them. We did recieve some good insight and knowledge about what it is like to own a business, and we do agree with the principles taught, however.... We also figure between books tapes meetings, functions and overspend on products we didn't need just to have the PV/BV we needed to be
"core" and set the right example for our downline we spend about $6,000/year much of which ended up on credit cards and we are still paying the price for this business. We loved it when we were building it we wouldn't miss any thing no matter how big or small or no matter how much the cost to get there.

We lost so much more than just money. We lost friendships and time, time that could never be replaced. I don't care if I do sit on the couch on a Tuesday night watching TV. My job performance has been better since I stopped building the business, no more long draining weekends and late weeknight meeting to make me tired and less prepared for my job. Now when I do sit and watch TV I feel refreshed and relaxed and ready to preform at my best the next day for work. Not to mention taking vacation days off for Quixtar... now I use my vacation days for guess what VACATION!!!

As for the cult thing, I believe it would qualify as a cult and I would be willing to debate this with anyone. I am ashamed that it took me so long and cost me so much before I realized what was going on, and that is why I shall remain anonymous

Dan, you are very polite and well-spoken. I totall...

2005-08-25T21:44:00.000-07:00

Dan, you are very polite and well-spoken. I totally appreciate it. Since your fiancee is in the biz with you and likes it, you may not have any problems at all. Best of luck to both of you. As for negativity - it's an unpleasant side effect of any business or belief sytem, as you know, and I guess the best anyone can do is learn to cope with it gracefully.

You're right sme. It is only about 1% of the popul...

2005-08-25T19:27:00.000-07:00

You're right sme. It is only about 1% of the population that will succeed in this business. Only 5% of the population are business owners (amway/quixtar/franchise or any other), but those 5% also make 95% of the money that is being made. As for the time, my fiancee and I work on this together, we have a lot of fun doing meeting and going to seminars with friends. Most people would just be sitting around watching TV after work anyway. With a couple of years of hard work and a lot of time invested, anyone can free up the rest of their lives for their children and families.
And as far as it being a cult like experience, I don't know where you are, but here in New England we don't have and sort of rituals, religeous rights, or ceremonial suicides, plus we have the right to come and go as we please.
I don't mean any disrespect to you or anyone else, but I don't like all the undue negativity towards this business. A lot of people will take what you guys have to say and make the decision to not even try it for themselves. and I want to make the other side of the spectrum known.
Thank You

Also, Dan, I had 2nd-hand experience of Amway, not...

2005-08-25T19:01:00.000-07:00

Also, Dan, I had 2nd-hand experience of Amway, not 3rd-hand. And I am not "acting" like I know what I'm talking about. I actually know. However, I'm not as familiar with the IBO set-up as I am with ordinary reps. That's why I included a link to the blog of a man who has suffered his wife's IBO experience.

I'm sure that Amway/Quixtar works out well for peo...

2005-08-25T19:00:00.000-07:00

I'm sure that Amway/Quixtar works out well for people who are willing and able to participate in a cult-like experience, if they have the skills to pull it off and the ambition to work long hours IN ADDITION to one or more full-time "Just-Over-Brokes". Some Amway/Quixtar reps and most IBOs are smart enough to realize that shelling out travel expenses for each and every rally is not going to get them where they want to go, and they invest only in the tapes that they actually plan to hear & the books they plan to read. However, only about 1% of the population fits into this category! The rest of the people inducted into Amway/Quixtar are not cut out for it, or any sales position for that matter. All the tapes in North America won't make any difference.
Here's the heart of the matter, Dan: It's not the Quixtar/Amway reps and IBOs who suffer. It's their children, their mates, their friends, and their families. I missed out on a lot of time with my fiancee because he was too busy with this garbage in addition to a 60 hr/wk job, plus church activities. The time he wasted at rallies and home presentations could have been much better spent. If you're single and have a lot of disposable income and time to spare, this may be ideal for you. But if you actually have to support a family or live a normal life, you're in for a world of pain.

I'll try to write this coherently, although I can'...

2005-08-25T15:38:00.000-07:00

I'll try to write this coherently, although I can't stop laughing at you. You have six months of third person experince with amway and you act like you know what you are talking about. I'll tell you I'm proud as hell to be a Quixtar IBO. And people like you are the reason we need tapes to keep going, because you won't even take the time to learn what you are talking about. I go online buy the things I need for my home (which are better products) and I get a hundred dollar check every month, and I haven't even gotten started. I wish you people would find something better to do than write this banter on the web. I'm so proud of this business I'll actually put my name on this. something you shit flingers wont do.

OK, well, yeah, a few pages. Heehee.

2005-08-21T22:54:00.000-07:00

OK, well, yeah, a few pages. Heehee.

SOME online research?! How many reams of paper di...

2005-08-21T06:21:00.000-07:00

SOME online research?! How many reams of paper did you print out?hehe
Have a safe drive! Love you Dems!!