Saturday, August 20, 2005

Scamway

We're taking Demi home tomorrow. *sigh* It's gonna be weirdly quiet around here when she leaves. The hamsters won't be too happy about it, either: They'll go back to eating once a day instead of, say, every 5 minutes.


My mother directed me to an excellent post about the religious cult known as Amway. Unfortunately I have a lot of experience with Amway because my ex was involved with it for roughly six months. Initially I didn't think it was such a bad idea - it's just like Avon, right? You sell soaps and baby wipes and whatnot, make a little extra money. Wrong. My first hint that something was horribly awry were the ever-growing piles of cassette tapes in his living room, with titles like "Don't Dream It, Be It" and "Diamond Destiny". Why would one need 700 motivational tapes to sell some laundry detergent, especially if it's supposed to be primo stuff? So, I did some online research. What I found was both scary and profoundly pathetic. Amway is, as so many people have learned the hard way, a quasi-religious cult/pyramid scam. I won't go into all the behavioral tricks, jargon, and moronic marketing strategies Amway (and its alter ego, Quixtar) uses, but here's just a sample:

  • Amway/Quixtar is ashamed to use the name "Amway", and changed to Quixtar a few years back (around the time my ex was involved). But they're now reluctant to use the word "Quixtar" and are employing various fronts to hide it. Reps will avoid using the word until they are absolutely cornered and forced to do so. There are reasons for this. No reputable business is scared of using its own name!! Of course, the reps will tell you that Amway/Quixtar has an undeserved bad reputation - it's so powerful, successful, and innovative that its corporate rivals continually launch smear campaigns against it. Yeah. Like Michael Jackson, right?
  • Quixtar reps sucker you in by pretending the pyramid is a "unique opportunity", or "not for everybody", making it into a challenge. "Well, I'd tell you all about it, but I'm not sure you can handle it..."
  • Amway Diamonds, Emeralds, and Cubic Zirconias or whatever the hell they call themselves do not make most of their money from superising their own private sales forces, nor from selling baby wipes. They make most of their money from sales of retarded motivational cassette tapes, books, and seminar tickets. At least one Diamond has admitted this. Amway/Quixtar isn't illegal, but it is a thinly veiled pyramid scheme. Sure, you can theoretically get to the top - but how many people actually make it?
  • The Diamonds who appear at seminars and on the cassette tapes say things like, "I sold all my oil wells because Amway is a better opportunity" and "If it was between my wife and Amway, I'd choose Amway." They only say this to people they've already initiated into the cult, of course, because they would never use the word "Amway" in mixed company.
  • Mid-level Amway reps (Opals or Pearls or something like that) will tell you they're fabulously successful and well-off. But note that they never hold recruiting seminars in their own homes - they always ask you to do it. And they'll "suggest" you dress nicely and serve decent appetizers. ("Suggest" is the Amway word for "rudely demand"). Also, they'll usually park a block or two away so you won't notice they're driving an '86 Chevy Nova crammed full of cassette tapes. If asked, reps explain the tapes are being given to you "at a loss" even though you're paying $6-$10 for each one.
  • Amway reps prey on the young, the poor, and the religious. They'll tell you it's all about "faith", "morals", and the American/Canadian Dream, that you're not just selling toothpaste but actually upholding the capitalist way of life. Show me one Avon rep who talks like that.
Enough! Even writing about this stuff fills me with pity. For more info on Scamway and its alter egos, visit http://www.webraw.com/quixtar/. This is a weblog by a man whose wife was once programmed by Amway/Quixtar to do their evil bidding.
Google "Amway rhino", and you'll find a hilarious Amway-to-English dictionary. Here's a definition many people will recognize:

Amafight: (verb) More than a disagreement, this is a fight between two people over any subject regarding building an Amway business. More often than not, the fight is about expenses- the next function is too expensive or the tapes cost too much. Some distributors believe these fights are actually good for married couples and later tell their own story about how they "overcame" their fight.

There are also tons of blogs and websites devoted to exposing Quixtar and other MLMs. Even if you're not one of the unfortunate souls whose loved ones have been mentally abducted by Amway, it makes for some entertaining and enlightening reading.

OK, a quick Amway joke: When I told my friend M.J. and her husband, Phil, that I'm writing a book about Satanism, Phil said, "Some of our neighbours have a cult like that, I think! There are all these cars parked on their lawn every night, and the lights are never on!"
M.J. said, "Honey, they sell Amway."
M.J. and I looked at each other and said in perfect synch "Isn't it the same thing?"

17 comments:

tshsmom said...

SOME online research?! How many reams of paper did you print out?hehe
Have a safe drive! Love you Dems!!

S.M. Elliott said...

OK, well, yeah, a few pages. Heehee.

Anonymous said...

I'll try to write this coherently, although I can't stop laughing at you. You have six months of third person experince with amway and you act like you know what you are talking about. I'll tell you I'm proud as hell to be a Quixtar IBO. And people like you are the reason we need tapes to keep going, because you won't even take the time to learn what you are talking about. I go online buy the things I need for my home (which are better products) and I get a hundred dollar check every month, and I haven't even gotten started. I wish you people would find something better to do than write this banter on the web. I'm so proud of this business I'll actually put my name on this. something you shit flingers wont do.

S.M. Elliott said...

I'm sure that Amway/Quixtar works out well for people who are willing and able to participate in a cult-like experience, if they have the skills to pull it off and the ambition to work long hours IN ADDITION to one or more full-time "Just-Over-Brokes". Some Amway/Quixtar reps and most IBOs are smart enough to realize that shelling out travel expenses for each and every rally is not going to get them where they want to go, and they invest only in the tapes that they actually plan to hear & the books they plan to read. However, only about 1% of the population fits into this category! The rest of the people inducted into Amway/Quixtar are not cut out for it, or any sales position for that matter. All the tapes in North America won't make any difference.
Here's the heart of the matter, Dan: It's not the Quixtar/Amway reps and IBOs who suffer. It's their children, their mates, their friends, and their families. I missed out on a lot of time with my fiancee because he was too busy with this garbage in addition to a 60 hr/wk job, plus church activities. The time he wasted at rallies and home presentations could have been much better spent. If you're single and have a lot of disposable income and time to spare, this may be ideal for you. But if you actually have to support a family or live a normal life, you're in for a world of pain.

S.M. Elliott said...

Also, Dan, I had 2nd-hand experience of Amway, not 3rd-hand. And I am not "acting" like I know what I'm talking about. I actually know. However, I'm not as familiar with the IBO set-up as I am with ordinary reps. That's why I included a link to the blog of a man who has suffered his wife's IBO experience.

Anonymous said...

You're right sme. It is only about 1% of the population that will succeed in this business. Only 5% of the population are business owners (amway/quixtar/franchise or any other), but those 5% also make 95% of the money that is being made. As for the time, my fiancee and I work on this together, we have a lot of fun doing meeting and going to seminars with friends. Most people would just be sitting around watching TV after work anyway. With a couple of years of hard work and a lot of time invested, anyone can free up the rest of their lives for their children and families.
And as far as it being a cult like experience, I don't know where you are, but here in New England we don't have and sort of rituals, religeous rights, or ceremonial suicides, plus we have the right to come and go as we please.
I don't mean any disrespect to you or anyone else, but I don't like all the undue negativity towards this business. A lot of people will take what you guys have to say and make the decision to not even try it for themselves. and I want to make the other side of the spectrum known.
Thank You

S.M. Elliott said...

Dan, you are very polite and well-spoken. I totally appreciate it. Since your fiancee is in the biz with you and likes it, you may not have any problems at all. Best of luck to both of you. As for negativity - it's an unpleasant side effect of any business or belief sytem, as you know, and I guess the best anyone can do is learn to cope with it gracefully.

Anonymous said...

My wife and I spend over 5 years trying to build this business. We love most of the products and will always use them. We did recieve some good insight and knowledge about what it is like to own a business, and we do agree with the principles taught, however.... We also figure between books tapes meetings, functions and overspend on products we didn't need just to have the PV/BV we needed to be
"core" and set the right example for our downline we spend about $6,000/year much of which ended up on credit cards and we are still paying the price for this business. We loved it when we were building it we wouldn't miss any thing no matter how big or small or no matter how much the cost to get there.

We lost so much more than just money. We lost friendships and time, time that could never be replaced. I don't care if I do sit on the couch on a Tuesday night watching TV. My job performance has been better since I stopped building the business, no more long draining weekends and late weeknight meeting to make me tired and less prepared for my job. Now when I do sit and watch TV I feel refreshed and relaxed and ready to preform at my best the next day for work. Not to mention taking vacation days off for Quixtar... now I use my vacation days for guess what VACATION!!!

As for the cult thing, I believe it would qualify as a cult and I would be willing to debate this with anyone. I am ashamed that it took me so long and cost me so much before I realized what was going on, and that is why I shall remain anonymous

Anonymous said...

www.aVerySimpleBusiness.com

I just came from a Quixtar meeting and was impressed. I'm fairly in-tune with what Network Marketing offers; I've been involved at some kind of level since 1972. Never did the business; always went for the product. As a dentist, I found the most incredible and effective toothpaste in Network Marketing and have been using it to clean patients' teeth for nearly 20 years.

Now, I've learned how to do the business - but not as they teach it. What they say is valid but they never go far enough and that is because they really don't know how. They don't know how to run their NM business as a business and they all fall into the very crowded field of mediocrity. A few transcend the others only because they have so many under them making small amounts of money that what rolls up to them is significant.

However, Quixtar looks very promising if it's true that you can have what you would normally carry from the store delivered and have it done at lower prices. Save time. Save driving (and attendant costs).

I'll go for it.

I should do well. I train people in Network Marketing; PowerPoint presentation and stuff like that. Since there's no one hear to tell you; I'm good at it. Very innovative and insightful. To be average gets you to average places. Commit to not be average and find a way to that goal.

Statistically, most businesses are "in the hump" (of a normal distribution curve. That means most businesses (and most anything) is average.

Given a superior product and benefit, the business will either be successful or not depending on how the business is run and, unfortunately, most trainers do not train well enough to get their people higher than average.

That's why so many fail.

S.M. Elliott said...

Um, okay. Good luck with that then.

Anonymous said...

Dr Gilbert, I find it intersting that you know so much about this business. As a dentist in Lawrence, NY you could make a lot more money taking a few ce courses and becoming more agressive with the "specialty" business you are currently reffering out to Orthodontists, Endodontists and Oral Surgeons.

If you chose to build this business your chances of success are extremely low. Even if you are successful there will be people in your downline that will be hurt financialy the way my wife and I were.

Anonymous said...

A friend of mine and her husband are deeply involved in this terrible "business"...they have no lives now, they get no sleep, they miss days at their real jobs constantly...I'm waiting for one or both of them to be fired and then they'll be up a creek for sure...They miss important events like weddings and birthdays, family outings, etc, in favor of meetings and Quixtar seminars...The have been completely brainwashed...The Quixtar higher ups, so to speak, have told these poor saps not to watch tv, listen to the radio, etc to avoid anything negative getting into their heads...It is completely terrible...My friends have been involved for just over a year now and it was just revealed to me they get a 400 dollar check every month...Well, they put out 1000 dollars a month to start with and then pay all sorts of fees in addition for tapes, cds, admission to so called motivational speaker's seminars, gas and hotel costs and they're also told to leave obnoxiously large tips are these restaurants where they have these "night owls" meetings to discuss the business...They are constantly broke, constantly needing to recruit new people since the people they get never stick around once they've seen the light...Quixtar preaches religion yet greed is the main focus of the whole thing...The last time I checked, greed was a sin so every last one of these bastards is going to go straight to Hell...I hope they like the heat...

Anonymous said...

It is sad, these type of stories show how it is a Cult. They recruit the same way cults do, they teach ibo's to block out everything (tv, radio, music, newpapers)and anyone who is not a member of this cult. They teach that you have to put this business/cult first over everything like weddings birthdays family events etc.

My wife and I experienced this first hand and we lost friendships, offended family and my performance at work declined. We never made a profit.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone anywhere know anyone who is a regular Amway consumer and has Amway products in their home? Check out IBOCity.com. And all the other links listed there. It'll take you forever to figure out it's AMWAY! You can log in as "frienda" or "friendt". Happy Scamwaying!

Anonymous said...

I cannot understand how people can defend and promote a business where 99% of the people end up losing money or making nothing.

To make it worse, the added expenses of seminars, airfare, and tapes and you have the potential for financial disaster.

Thanks for this blog, hopefully potential IBO's will wake up and smell the coffee.

Anonymous said...

I have news for all you critics of Amway/Quixtar/Ibocity etc. I would be willing to bet that if you live ten lifetimes doing whatever you are doing with your life. The closest you'll ever get to being successful is watching someone else on TV. The fact remains that Amway has successfully produce more millionaires and multi-millionaires than any other business in the history of this planet except for Microsoft. Where's your track record of success? And when they start handing out trophys and erecting monuments to critics let me know. And when all those TV commercials get tatooed on your dimming grey matter. maybe you'll find out who the real suckers are or maybe you won't, it's your life(sucks, huh?).

Anonymous said...

I was at a job fair and a guy was talking about direct sales. I decided to let him and his wife call to discuss a position. As soon as he asked to have my spouse present I knew something was not right. He guided me to their ibocity and that is when it hit me what this was. I just put the phone down not to be rude. I told them I was not interested and they insisted in calling me in a few months. Thank God for caller id. I have a friend who did this business and he ended up filing bankruptcy because of the investment it required.